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One of the Best Law BlogsHiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-40722410685803297652013-02-04T18:40:00.001-08:002013-02-04T18:40:44.098-08:00Changes - And Some Things Stay the Same<br />
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So, where has HP been? Well, HP had some life changes, including an unexpected loss of a family member who was just a few years older than HP. And, HP decided HP was ready for a change from BigLaw. HP got a great offer, and HP jumped ship to a small, but exciting, entrepreneurial firm. So, HP has gone from giant, to big, to "petite" firm (it's actually more than HP and her dog, it's a real firm with associates and partners, and all). I'm hoping now that things have settled I'll have time to share my views on small versus big, challenges of both.<br />
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But, some things stay the same. I can tell you that great associates shine at small firms as well as big firms. Complaining, unprofessional personnel are probably even more noticed in small organizations. What makes a great young lawyer? Well I see them, they are energetic, careful, they volunteer, they follow-up, they hustle, they respond promptly, and when they are not sure about something, they ask. They seek to learn new areas, they seek to expand networks, they seek to make themselves, their colleagues and their firm look good. I know some of these, and believe me in a heartbeat I could call up and give a great recommendation for them if they find a new opportunity. Attitude is HUGE. I've discussed this with colleagues many times. I will want to work with the associate who does all the things I've mentioned. Conversely, a smart, but pain-in-the-ass colleague is moving down my list (and others) because they complicate, perhaps delay, and deflate the office. I'm not saying you have to be perky cheerleader (or that super sweet, perfect teacher from the "Bad Teacher" movie), but a good attitude - willing, thorough, following through - will take you far. Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-31810870871099066472011-06-11T10:19:00.001-07:002011-06-11T10:33:24.142-07:00Hello againHello all - old and new readers. A poster asked if I could give some advice for someone returning to the workplace/firm for full time employment after having spent a summer or otherwise interning. The poster wondered if it would be a good idea to re-introduce themselves. I say, absolutely. Great idea - in fact, if you were following my earlier posts, you hopefully got the sense that you should maintain relationships all along. So, let's say you spent a summer, had an offer, accepted, and came back the next fall. Why wait until you return? Stay in contact with those who you seem to have forged relationships. I quick email - hello, or passing along an interesting article - almost always appreciated. <div><br /></div><div>This touches on a theme I think you've heard me echo. Your career is just that -- a CAREER. It is not a one time job, a summer, a couple of years, etc. Even if you change workplaces, type of work, or take some time off, that does not mean that you should stop connecting. You MUST maintain and build your connections/networks. Your career is more like running cross-country than track -- a long and winding course rather than a quick sprint till you are done.</div><div><br /></div><div>I had a former colleague who got laid off, and then decided to spend some time with her young kids. Fine. Then she wanted to start working again. I told her about a job right near her house that would be a great fit where a mutual friend of ours was hiring (notice: connection). She didn't move on it, and the opportunity passed. Then she went to work outside of the law for a bit. She asked for a reference, which I took care of quickly. Then I never heard from her again. I even had an opportunity for her in my firm. She was MIA. Nothing wrong with her, just not connecting. Guess what...she's back....wanting to get back into the legal field. Am I inclined to help her - well actually I do like her a lot and would try. But, was she smart about checking out, only to check in when she needed something? <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">NOOOOOOO</span>...dumb move. </div><div><br /></div><div>Listen people - technology has made it so much simpler to stay in touch - "Link" with someone and send them a note every now and then; shoot someone a quick email saying hello, checking in on how some project went, or was everything <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">ok</span>, etc., send an article that may be of interest, if appropriate ask how a family member is doing ("has Janie decided where she's going to college, I really enjoyed speaking with her about <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">XYZ</span> university"). This is so easy, yet so overlooked. I usually take about 10 minutes every day, just to do some checking in emails. Remember - out of sight means out of mind, and you never know when that contact may be needed/useful to advance your career or for other important reasons. And of course, some of us actually just enjoy staying in touch ! </div><div><br /></div><div>So, this coming week, make it a goal to check in with 5 people. It doesn't require follow up, but if you want to set up coffee, lunch, etc. Go ahead! Even better. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-31527990149381075492011-04-27T17:09:00.000-07:002011-04-27T17:16:53.650-07:00Starting againHey guys and gals. HP took a break, a long break. Why? Family stuff, work stuff, burnout. But I'm thinking of starting back up. I just wonder, would that be useful? Maybe our readers have found new, terrific sites? Let me know what you think, and what would be helpful topics.<div><br /></div><div>You might be wondering what HP thinks of the legal economy. Well, I think things are picking up. My recruiter friends are definitely busier and say even associate hiring is FINALLY improving. Will we return to the old days? Probably not, some things have changed long-term (like some firms canceling summer programs and just hiring laterals). But, it is good to see firms and organizations adding to their ranks. </div><div><br /></div><div>Ok, just a short post, give me a holler in the comments and let me know what you think. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-89970498824901082902010-05-01T07:20:00.000-07:002010-05-01T07:21:08.053-07:00bus development - gotta put in the timeSee my post over at lawshucks: <a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/04/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/">http://lawshucks.com/2010/04/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/</a>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-80357324843583802382010-04-02T08:07:00.000-07:002010-04-02T08:08:49.859-07:00TMI - TOO MUCH INFORMATIONToday's post over at <a href="http://lawshucks.com">lawshucks.com</a>: <div><a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/04/sharing-is-not-caring-keeping-things-to-yourself/"><br /></a></div><div><a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/04/sharing-is-not-caring-keeping-things-to-yourself/">http://lawshucks.com/2010/04/sharing-is-not-caring-keeping-things-to-yourself</a>/</div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-88293316586944539312010-03-27T04:53:00.001-07:002010-03-27T10:21:48.845-07:00No badmouthingSee my article on not badmouthing current/past employers and colleagues at: <a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/03/remember-what-your-mother-taught-you/">http://lawshucks.com/2010/03/remember-what-your-mother-taught-you/</a>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-47205913054111696492010-03-15T03:45:00.001-07:002010-03-15T03:46:51.766-07:00the me file - from HP's weekly post on Law Shucks<a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/03/the-me-file/">http://lawshucks.com/2010/03/the-me-file</a>/Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-30913423761035284512010-03-06T16:13:00.001-08:002010-03-06T16:14:17.900-08:00Law ShucksHi all, you can view my guest post on Lawshucks.com. This week's topic is: CYA<br /><br /><a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/03/cya/">http://lawshucks.com/2010/03/cya/</a>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-7757993322589322632010-03-03T17:49:00.000-08:002010-03-03T17:59:53.736-08:00answering more questionsOne of our readers indicated that he (or she?) has a job offer for a summer associate position at a firm this summer. The class is around 6 people. The firm usually has a much larger class. Our reader asked whether I think this bodes well for getting an offer. HP doesn't have a crystal ball, but my educated guess is that yes, I think the firm would try to give offers to the smaller class. To me, it's a good sign that the firm has made a careful decision to minimize the class size. Presumably the firm has looked to its future needs, such as surveying department heads for their anticipated needs going forward when you would eventually join. Following this analysis, the firm concluded that a number around 6 would be the right number. Now, assuming the firm didn't want 3 and got extra acceptances, I think the chances of an offer are good. However, I agree you still need to be great. Firms won't feel so uncomfortable about "no offering" this summer. You need to produce top notch work product, be positive, participate in whatever social events they have, and not make any social <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">faux</span> pas. So, be on your guard just the same as last year - remember the whole summer is an interview. Everything counts - office presence, work product, the way you communicate orally, in writing (including e-mails), treatment of other attorneys, staff, etc. Be on your game.Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-91256166140653234902010-03-01T17:10:00.000-08:002010-03-01T17:38:45.186-08:00Monday MusingsHello all. Some of you may have already seen my post, but in case you didn't, I will be guest blogging weekly over at <a href="http://lawshucks.com/2010/02/remember-who-your-friends-are/">www.lawshucks.com</a> -- my first installment was last Friday. The good folk at <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><a href="http://lawshucks.com/">lawshucks.com</a></span> have created an excellent source of information on the comings and goings in the law industry. I encourage you to check out their site.<div><br /></div><div>Now, you may be asking: "if HP can barely keep up her own blog, how can she guest elsewhere"? Well, I, too, have had that thought. I'm hoping that being busy just keeps me moving faster. I know I am best when I have multiple deadlines. I am hoping to use my site for specific advice - e.g., when I am answering questions, and more general career guidance. Much of my advice goes beyond <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">BigLaw</span> and even law in general, and relates to general workplace getting along and getting ahead. Over at lawshucks, I will focus on big picture items, I think. </div><div><br /></div><div>Someone asked about taking multiple bars as a fall back. As in, they are going to work in State A, but think maybe they should take the bars in States B and C to make themselves more marketable. Well, I think it depends on a few factors. Does the firm you are going to encourage multiple bars? I have a friend who works for a firm in DC. They have VA and MD offices. The firm likes for their lawyers, especially litigators, to have DC and one of either VA or MD. Will your firm pay for the dues on other state bars? This is actually an important question and can add up significantly. Another important question my cousin didn't really consider when she took an extra bar were the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">CLE</span> and other ongoing requirements. She had no interest in the short, or even long, term practicing in the state, yet there were many requirements for ongoing dues and other payments and mandatory <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">CLE</span>. In the end, she had to give up the bar membership since (if I remember correctly), they didn't really have an inactive status that didn't require payments. And, do you have the time to study and take these extra bars? You certainly don't want to take away any time from your main bar, as these days, firms aren't likely to look positively on failing bar results. </div><div><br /></div><div>Now, moving on to the big picture, I recently got invited to a professional conference. The list of the speakers was set forth in the email. I noticed the name of a man I know, and he was listed at a firm other than the one where I first met him. I was pretty surprised so I googled him and sure enough, he had just moved. Why was I surprised? After all, tons of people make lateral moves. I was surprised because this guy was such a "company man," he had at one time managed the office of the prior firm. When I met him he was super gung ho on the place. I truly saw him as a lifer there. Which brings me to the point. Remember, there is no loyalty in BigLaw. People move for so many reasons. Sometimes they take people with, other times not. Even people who seems like they will sail off into retirement from Firm ABC suddenly make unexpected moves. So, don't go someplace just because you really like Partner Susan, or associate Tom was so fun and hip. It's happened to me that when you show up, those people could already be gone. Really goes back to the point I made on l<a href="http://lawshucks.com/">awshucks</a> last Friday -- and I've made here before -- that you have to always look out for yourself -- whether it is positioning yourself for your own move at some point, or recognizing that you don't want to only work for X because X might leave next week and not take you and then you're hosed because you haven't worked with anyone else. People move, things change. Be careful about hitching your wagon too closely -- be more like a UHAUL attachment that can attach and unattach to various pulls. </div><div><br /></div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-1422987752816097552010-02-18T04:01:00.000-08:002010-02-18T04:17:44.832-08:00social networking - does it help?Some people ask whether participation in social networking -- <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Facebook</span>, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Linkedin</span>, etc. actually helps in the career/job search world. I do think there's a benefit to getting back in touch and staying in touch with your contacts. But, of course, remember if you write silly things on <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">Facebook</span>, your business contacts who are your <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">FB</span> "friends" will see these things just as your real friends will. So, I usually recommend keeping pure business contacts on <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">Linkedin</span> and friends on <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">Facebook</span>. But what if, say, a client or other business contact "friends" you? Then, what do you do? Well, I've had this happen. A client who I also know socially <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">friended</span> me. In fact, I have a couple of them. I accepted the friend requests -- felt that it would be too weird not to -- but when I post updates, pics, etc., I try in the back of my mind to remember that it's not just my high school classmates reading and posting to my <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">FB</span> -- it also includes the clients. <div><br /></div><div>Now, getting back to my original point...does any of this social networking actually help you in the career advancement world? Yes, I think getting back in touch, and staying in touch with people can help advance your career. It's certainly better than doing nothing at all, of course. I always tell people that if you are interested in a new job, you should let people know. As far as creating opportunities generally, the social networking sites will help put you in the mind of some former colleagues/classmates who otherwise might not think of you.</div><div><br /></div><div>Case in point. Just recently, I needed a local counsel in a different part of the country. I could ask my colleagues for recommendations and I did that. I thought for a minute. Do I know anyone who practices in this metropolitan area? This is a matter for a very important client and I want someone I know and can trust. I didn't think I knew anyone in this area. But then the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">light bulb</span> went off. Someone from law school who I am <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">Facebook</span> friends with does practice in the area. And his postings occasionally talk about court -- so I know he litigates locally. I called him. He answered...and it looks like he and his firm may end up serving as our local counsel. Without <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">Facebook</span>, I would not have thought about him. He may very well end up getting a significant referral from this, and possible follow up work. </div><div><br /></div><div>I can talk more about social networking for job searches in another post but wanted to touch on this recent connection before it slipped my mind. </div><div><br /></div><div>For those who have come back to <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">HP's</span> Office blog as I've returned....thank you.</div><div><br /></div><div>(<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12">btw</span>, no, right now we are not hiring 3Ls or entry level associates). <br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div></div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-65522310274724824192010-02-17T04:43:00.000-08:002010-02-17T04:49:41.780-08:00RETURN?Hi all. I'm sorry I had to curtail my blogging for awhile. There was just a lot going on personally and professionally and I just couldn't keep up. I am starting to feel like I can resume the blogging -- but I wonder if you are still interested? And if so, what interests you most these days? I hope things have improved for the job seekers -- I do feel like I see more opportunities starting to open up out there -- though I still hear from clients that they are under tremendous budget constraints. Clients are definitely handling more things in-house these days - trying to do things on their own rather than calling outside lawyers. I think the opportunities I have seen more recently are in-house, governmental, etc. <div><br /></div><div>Anyway, let me have your thoughts? Continue? Topics? </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com15tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-79068532486452145452009-11-19T03:59:00.001-08:002009-11-19T05:34:12.916-08:00getting out<div>I talk a lot about networking. I thought some concrete examples might be helpful.</div><div><br /></div>As HP toiled away for many years at <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">BigLaw</span>, I realize now that I overlooked the opportunities to be had by getting out of the office more -- say to attend bar events, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">CLE</span>, etc. Even though we all have work, family, social and other obligations, we shouldn't overlook the benefits to leaving the office to interact with contacts and potential contacts.<div><br /></div><div>Recently, I attended a continuing education program. It was just a few hours so did not take up the whole day, which was great. I showed up a little early. I sat down and the person next to me turned to me since he was sitting alone. We introduced ourselves. It turns out that he works at a very large, well-known company. During breaks in the program, we chatted briefly. At the end, I asked him for his card and offered to email him if I saw future programs like this one that might be helpful. I also reconnected with another contact that day and exchanged follow-up emails. A few weeks back, I attended an evening reception. I invited a client contact as a guest since our firm had extra tickets (this almost always happens). While there, I spoke to a number of people. I also, again, reconnected with a lawyer from another firm I have worked with before. A couple weeks later, another contact at that firm called me to see if I might be interested in a lateral move over. Coincidence? No....when I saw lawyer one at the reception, that put me in his mind and he passed on the follow up request to his colleague. My point here is that even though it may be inconvenient, or you think you don't have the time, make the time to get out -- especially when these events are minimal time investments, it's fairly easy to do. And then follow-up. I have sent new guy from continuing ed an email already...you need to do this promptly.</div><div><br /></div><div>Another item I have mentioned is getting involved in bar and other organizations. Some years back, I poo-pooed this as a waste of time and just hanging out with lawyer competitors. But it is really good for raising your profile, building your network, and being in touch with potential career opportunities. A partner in my firm speaks highly of an associate at another firm. Why? Because the associate co-chairs a subcommittee he's been on of a large bar organization. I've seen the associate on numerous panels. Why? Because of her outside committee work and the continued development of her expertise. </div><div><br /></div><div>So, keep at it....find something you like and are interested in. For women, the women's bar events in your area can be great networking opportunities. For everyone, specialty bars exist for certain practice areas. There's also affinity bars for certain groups (e.g., Asian bar association). Pick something and get involved. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-45954993544152258832009-10-30T03:51:00.000-07:002009-10-30T04:25:22.313-07:00Women as RainmakersSeveral recent articles have highlighted that women partners in law firms tend not to be in the top tier of firm rainmakers. We could debate over the course of several blogs the causes of this issue (and maybe we will?); a past experience and a recent experience shed some light on part of the problem. <div><br /></div><div>Those who study how we, especially women, communicate in the workplace often say that women can be too apologetic, too trying to please everyone, and trying not to offend. "You may have already tried this approach, but how about trying to move the depositions to ..." You see the lead in cuts into the woman's idea. I can recall a meeting probably about 10 years ago when I was a mid/senior associate in a big meeting (and the only woman). We were reviewing a pleading and trying to come up with a different word for what was being said. The <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">GC</span></span> of a big client was in the room as well as partners from my law firm and partners from another big firm. I suggested a word; I believe it was "scheme." They kept going on. Maybe 2 minutes later, big mouth partner W from other firm said "scheme." The GC and others all loved it and it got in. I shook my head....was this the Twilight Zone? Didn't I just say that? It wasn't that I said "well, this isn't very good, but how about scheme?" That of course wouldn't have been good. I think W just said it louder and with more force -- and perhaps his thoughts held more weight at the time. But maybe my voice hesitated, maybe I was a little too meek in my suggestion. When we feel less confident or unsure -- we need to overcome that and speak up, just like W. Remember, not all successful attorneys and other professionals are <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">successful</span></span> simply because they are smarter or worker harder than you or me; some of them just project confidence and aren't afraid to promote their ideas and themselves. </div><div><br /></div><div>Finally, a recent case in point illustrates this point of women being too cautious, too afraid of ruffling feathers in the rainmaking category. Lawyer Anna came to HP because Anna got a referral from another firm where a family member works. The area of law was not in a field Anna practices. Rather, other lawyers in the firm would be doing the work and Anna had touched base with a partner in that other group to see if the matter would be something partner would be interested in. Partner had a preliminary conversation with referral client to explain to referral client the qualifications of the particular practice. Anna was wondering how to go about formally opening the client matter. She said she was going to talk to partner and ask partner if it was OK to run a conflicts check, open the sheets etc. I told her she needed to be more proactive -- this was her baby -- the client came in through her family member, not because they knew the other partner (I also happened to think other partner would understand that and other partner not overly confrontational). I said to her, instead of asking, you need to be proactive in a non-<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">chalant</span></span> kind of way. Oh, partner X, I've got Susan (secretary) running the conflict check to make sure there's no issues, and she's working on an engagement letter and the new client sheets. I will let you know when everything is clear." </div><div><br /></div><div>See, in this manner, Anna gets the client credit, and looks proactive, and doesn't have to fight over credit. She's making rain and it really isn't open to debate...the papers are just moving ahead. Now, we might discuss the issue of a more difficult partner to deal with/position of authority, but this is my advice. We, as women -- and really this is advice relevant to all -- need to be less hesitant and more proactive, less apologetic -- especially when it comes to getting business, collecting from clients, etc. There's plenty of ways to deal with these issues without causing any major rifts in the relationship. </div><div><br /></div><div>Thoughts?</div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-83990118131516855532009-10-29T06:05:00.001-07:002009-10-29T06:12:44.086-07:00negotiating; further on networkingInteresting questions and feedback, thanks. For the individual who was asking about negotiating salary, I just don't think this is the time to do that. There are so many candidates for jobs, most of them well qualified, that firms and businesses don't really have to negotiate in most situations. You don't want to be viewed as a <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">prima</span> <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">donna</span> or otherwise high maintenance from the start. These days, firms and businesses figure if the candidate won't accept on the terms offered, they can just move on. <div><br /></div><div>An interesting aside I thought I would mention. I talk about networking a lot, but thought you could use some examples. Recently, I was at a seminar. At the end of the seminar, some people stayed around to introduce selves, exchange business cards, etc. I re-introduced myself to a lawyer I had worked with some years back. We had a good conversation. In fact, I need to email him to tell him I enjoyed the program (he was partially responsible for it). But here's the networking part. Another woman walked up to the same guy while I was leaving. I don't think she knew him. But, she went right out and asked him if he knew anything about a job recently posted at a great, interesting company for a counsel in the area of practice that the seminar focused on. The funny thing is that I had seen that job and it interested me too, not that I was necessarily applying but I thought it sounded like a fabulous opportunity with cool issues. This lady was reaching out to the speaker guy to see if he had details about the position -- but she probably wanted to see if he had any connections there. Now, I am not sure how effective this is overall if he doesn't know her and thus probably wouldn't be recommending her....but I thought it certainly showed some initiative and using networking to at least on the surface find out more about the job. I couldn't hear the rest of the conversation so I am not sure if it was a productive one, but at least the lady did something proactive, which is more than I did just kind of thinking about the job. Remember, thinking doesn't get you the job, you need to undertake steps to move your resume forward. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-66502499165655755242009-10-20T03:33:00.000-07:002009-10-20T03:46:31.465-07:00returnHello...I know it's been awhile...and I apologize to those who were waiting. Life things came up and between work and home, I had to take a break from the blog. If you still want to read, great; if you're tired of waiting and need more consistency, feel free to move on. I will try to post at least twice a week - perhaps with a specific goal I will be more consistent.<div><br /></div><div>So, what have I been seeing? Well, I do think things are picking up -- but mainly for people with experience. And, of course, there's many applicants for each job...but the good news is I think I see more jobs out there. Entry level, of course, much harder. Many firms are moving away to the "way we've always done things" and deciding that when they do need to hire again, they can go into the lateral pool. </div><div><br /></div><div>With a couple exceptions, people I know who have obtained new jobs have gotten them through a combo of qualifications and -- you knew this was coming - networking. With so many people submitting resumes into "blind boxes," it really makes a difference if you can come up with some connection between you and the organization where you are seeking a job. Does your former roommate have a relative who works at <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">XYZ</span> company? It may be they can get your resume in the hands of someone who will pay attention to it. Think about who you may know at the firm/organization where you would like to work. Use sources like <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Linkedin</span> to look for connections. Don't be shy (well unless you have a job and looking laterally and you need to keep it kind of quiet). Put yourself out there. </div><div><br /></div><div>Now, if you have someone who helps -- by giving you advice on the phone, by forwarding your resume, etc...make sure you show some appreciation....sometimes HP and <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">HP's</span> friends have helped out and then we never hear from that person. Bad form. Your career is all about building -- building knowledge, building expertise, and yes, building your network. I'm not saying you have to send flowers, but if someone takes time out to help you, you should certainly show some appreciation -- even a short note: Dear HP, I've landed a new job at: <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">XYZ</span> company. Here's my new contact information. Thank you so much for your advice during my search. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I can be assistance, and let's schedule lunch over the next month." Remember - think in the now but look into the future. Build build build. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-83267374955620277902009-08-21T04:29:00.000-07:002009-08-21T04:52:33.289-07:00answering some questionsHello gang: sorry it has been awhile. Life interrupted blogging. I think the next several weeks will be interesting as we hear about <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">OCI</span>, fall out from summer 2009 (sorry but I think we will see some heavy no offers), and what the summer 08 class does to fill their time until Jan 2010, assuming that date holds.<div><br /></div><div>What I would (and I bet our readers) would like to hear from you is...what are some creative "getting job" solutions you've heard about - or implemented yourselves? I'm looking for some stories of creative solutions to the "what do I do till Jan 2010" and "what do I do if I am no offered from Summer 2009?" Or any other job hunting stories you have to share - e.g., post layoffs too. I can share my thoughts but I always think a broader range of opinions is helpful.</div><div><br /></div><div>So feel free to chime in. </div><div><br /></div><div>Some recent questions: thank you notes after summer associateship. Yes, good idea to send to HP and others with whom you worked, nothing wrong with showing your appreciation and continued interest. I got some email ones and that was fine with me, but I do think you get a little more "bang" with a note because we get <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">soooo</span> many emails every day that it kind of goes flashing by and opening a note takes a little more time.</div><div><br /></div><div>A blog reader asked about her intention to move to a new city (and interviewing with firms there) because she is recently engaged. She wondered if mentioning the engagement somehow worked against her. No, this is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why you are changing cities and your connection to the area. And, a very common one we have seen many times. No worries. Just explain that your fiance is in new city; you intend to make this your home, and this is the only city in which you are now interviewing. </div><div><br /></div><div>Someone I don't know well asked me for a reference. I would be happy to scream "this person is great" for someone I worked with and I do think is great; however, I really can't do a reference for someone whose work and workplace/social interaction I have never observed. That would, among other things, affect my credibility with the people to whom I am recommending candidate. So, be cautious when you think about references. You really want someone with whom you have worked. Someone who has seen your interactions in the workplace and socially and someone who has reviewed your work product. And, this is a hard one, but you want someone who you feel will give a glowing, fabulous, enthusiastic recommendation. When we call to reference check, we can pick up on "he is good" versus "this is the best lawyer since Clarence Darrow and we wish we weren't losing him to your city." It might just be the person talking and maybe they are not the bubbly type, but if you can target your reference person to be someone you think will really sell you, focus on that person.</div><div><br /></div><div>I am thinking of instituting or re-instituting a "tip of the day" to get some quick advice out and keep the blog going. </div><div><br /></div><div>First tip of the day: sometimes we all need to recognize that the suits that fit us, say, last year, are kind of too tight now. Yes, we gained a little weight. Sometimes we just need to accept this, and go to another size until we can get back into the old ones. I've seen some horrible skin tight suits on men and women alike. It is not attractive when we can see the outline of your body parts. Not professional and quite distracting. Do yourself a favor and invest in something slightly larger. You can always donate the "bigger suits" to a good cause like one of those putting people back in the workforce groups once you get back to fighting weight. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-74896820462059601822009-07-26T17:14:00.000-07:002009-07-26T17:23:48.075-07:00resumes questionSomeone asked about how much information to put in the "personal" section of the resume. This person inquired whether they should list that they came to the United States via the asylum process. <div><br /></div><div>A commenter pointed out that it might be awkward for the interviewers to ask about the asylum notation. I agree. There are many restrictions regarding what we can and cannot ask about in an interview - including age, marital status, national origin, etc. I would be concerned as an interviewer about asking the candidate regarding his or her asylum notation out of concern it might run afoul of employment laws and regulations. To me, this seems like something you could address in an interview. Like where an interviewer asked about difficult challenges you have faced, or unique circumstances, or why you went to law school. I think in that context, your asylum situation would be an interesting and unique take on those questions.</div><div><br /></div><div>As for other things in the "personal" section, I don't usually spend too much time looking at it; honestly, I would really only remember if it had something unusual (or odd) - which wouldn't necessarily be a good thing. Most of them say similar things - cooking, travel, road races, etc. I am more impressed when people show me deep experience and an ability to juggle - since that is what we do every day in law firms - we typically don't get to work on one memo all day or for multiple days until we feel satisfied; rather we have to put out <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">multiple</span> fires and oftentimes when we think we will spend the afternoon doing one thing, a separate unexpected issue comes up and totally derails our plans.</div><div><br /></div><div>So, if you've supported yourself by working through college/law school - that is something I think should be noted. If you served in the military - say in Iraq and commanded a unit -- yes, that is relevant and important experience -- clearly you could operate under stress! (And yes, I have seen reference letters from commanding officers that did help a candidate get a job). </div><div>If you've had unusual and challenging internships, note those as well. I would just stay away from too much personal stuff. Are you moving to a "new" city to be with your fiance? Not for the resume, but more for the interview or perhaps cover letter to explain your connection.</div><div><br /></div><div>I prefer one page resumes, but if you've had a LOT of work experience -- i.e., you took time between college and law school of more than a couple years -- and you feel you need to go to the next page - then go ahead. But bear in mind some reviewers may not turn the page. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-45385406481243902792009-07-22T16:58:00.000-07:002009-07-22T17:16:16.720-07:00Blog's One Year Anniversary - Partial Reveal!Hello everyone. I am sorry I haven't blogged lately. As you know, HP is of course a practicing attorney and HP got really busy with work and multiple deadlines, plus various social commitments. I will try to blog more often in the coming weeks.<div><br /></div><div>No, I wasn't out celebrating the big one year anniversary of the blog. Can you believe it has been one year since I launched with my list of the top things that annoy the hiring partner? I really had no big plans to become a blogger, per <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">se</span>, I just kept seeing certain behaviors in our younger lawyers that I knew were really hurting them. Has this changed? Well, to a certain extent, due to the economy and the massive change in the way law firms hire and retain lawyers, I do think there's less a sense of entitlement than we had been seeing. There's still plenty of room for guidance and improvement. </div><div><br /></div><div>I will answer some of your questions in upcoming posts but I really felt for the big one year anniversary, something momentous was required. Something exciting. Well, no, F-3 and I are not running off to the sunshine of the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">blogsphere</span> to live happily ever after. Though I certainly appreciate all F-3 has done in his/her contributions to the blog. And I appreciate the contributions of the rest of you (except of course when you are slamming HP with really nasty comments).</div><div><br /></div><div>Which brings me to the big one year celebration announcement. Are you ready? Really ready?</div><div>(heck I am not sure I am ready)......</div><div><br /></div><div>HP is a Woman! </div><div><br /></div><div>Yes, a female. So many of you just assumed HP was a man. (Some of you still doubt I am even a lawyer, but I can assure you I am in possession of a valid law degree and bar membership). I am not certain why so many assumed I am a man. Because I am a partner? A Hiring Partner? Heck, plenty of Hiring Partners are women. Was it because I often tell it how it is, kind of straight up, whether it seems harsh or not? I am not sure, but for those who sometimes accused me of not having a women's point of view, or being anti-woman (which I and those who have worked with me found comical), it may simply have been because I was trying to be gender neutral.</div><div><br /></div><div>OK, so what does this mean? Well I hoped you've learned that assumptions can often be wrong. And, hopefully this doesn't change anything. I still aspire to give you useful advice - don't worry guys I am there for you. For our women readers, I'm hoping this opens up more of a discourse on women's issues in the workplace. Believe me, I have been there. No one has handed me anything and I know it is not easy. We can't do it all, 100 percent. Some of us can do a bunch of things pretty (or really) well. But superwoman does not exist. You have to recognize you can't have it all, all the time. That's been my conclusion. Sometimes I'm a great parent; sometimes I'm a great lawyer; sometimes I am both; but other times if I'm being a great lawyer and working all night to get something done and missing activities - no, I'm not being a terrific parent. I guess we will discuss some of this down the road.</div><div><br /></div><div>Well, I hope that was exciting and I look forward to some thought provoking comments and questions. </div><div><br /></div><div>Best,</div><div><br /></div><div>HP </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com12tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-87104027056049602502009-07-08T04:21:00.001-07:002009-07-08T04:31:42.699-07:00ranking; other points of viewHey folks, on the ranking, I would go with "no layoffs" but the problem is you wouldn't necessarily know about the stealth ones. I would look at where my best chances are - do they usually hire multiple candidates from my school, would my grades and other credentials normally make the cut, etc. What area do I want to do, and do they have a substantial practice in that area (assuming I know). As I said, shoot wide because it is going to be extremely difficult to get a summer 2L gig AND after that, even if you've done a solid job, no offer may follow. <div><br /></div><div>I've been meaning to reach out to our practicing lawyer and recruiter readers. I am guessing you have some great ideas to contribute here. Folks, what have you seen this summer or during last year's interviews that candidates should know they should do differently? What really "saved" a candidate. HP has a lot of experience, but mine is only one person's and I would welcome your thoughts....and I bet our readers would as well.</div><div><br /></div><div>Separate note: I sent an email to someone recently. I think the guy is out on vacation. Odd out of office message <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">specifically</span> indicating he is not checking messages and you may wish to call when he gets back because your message might get lost in all his emails that have come in while he was out. I thought this was an odd message. I mean I got the point, but if I were a client, I might think he was saying my matter wasn't <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">particularly</span> important and he's just so busy with other stuff he might forget about my matter. I just think there's ways to convey these types of messages in ways that make clients and others confident that their matters are or can be covered and that they are important. Even though clients know we have other clients, they also like to know that they are a top priority. A better way would be to say "I will be in an area with limited Internet access, but in my absence you can contact my colleagues <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">xyz</span> and <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">abc</span>, who have been briefed on outstanding matters and should be in a position to assist you [and will know how to reach me]. I've often found that most things do wait till after vacation or other absences, but putting a confident message out really helps. </div><div><br /></div><div>Hope the week goes well. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com11tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-80120947800840393972009-07-04T05:30:00.001-07:002009-07-04T05:43:25.330-07:00"ranking"Someone asked about how to rank firms for fall <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">OCI</span> -- in summary, whether firms that have laid off might be better prospects since they have shed "extra weight," or whether lay offs are a sign of a <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">firm's</span> instability and in essence, mean the firm really has no need for further people. In a normal law firm world, I would say to regard firms that have done lay offs very cautiously. But, nothing about the current state of the legal market is normal. <div><br /></div><div>Hence, my answer to "how do you rank is?"..... are you crazy? I would rank the firms by "where the hell might I get a job?" This is not a law student/associate market. Did you miss that? I'm sorry, but those days are over. Hopefully, the firms going on campus in fact have slots to fill and hopefully they are being very careful with their numbers. I know hiring partners and recruiting staff who have already called law schools (yes, even top 25 law schools) and indicated they are not coming on campus this fall. So, if you've got firms coming on campus, I presume they have some slots to fill. And, at the end of the day, if you wind up with multiple offers, then great for you. At that point (when you have offers), I would start the "ranking" process -- where do I feel comfortable, what is the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">firm's</span> reputation in the area (for possible movement later, for instance), what do legal and other news say about the firm? This is when we would consider lay offs. For me, if it is a choice between a lay-off firm and one that <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">hasn't</span> done layoffs, I think I would lean toward the non-layoff firms, but you need to do some homework - how are the departments staffed, do they seem overstaffed? How did the associates seem, did morale seem good? Perhaps you can talk to someone who spent the summer there this past summer. Do your homework. But that is when you have an offer. </div><div><br /></div><div>At this point, before you have an offer, go fishing. Throw that net out far and wide. The days of the law firm world as your oyster are over. Ranking will be for after the offer. Take the interviews you get and go in with a positive attitude to all - even if maybe it's not your first choice -- it may be your only choice. Sorry to be harsh, but that is the way of the law firm market today. </div><div><br /></div><div>Happy 4<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">th</span>. </div><div><br /></div><div>HP</div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-12365724666147615112009-06-25T03:44:00.000-07:002009-06-25T03:59:01.324-07:00evaluations; and further on the too casualsOn the "too casuals" post, I was trying to get across that you need to be cautious about slang, digs, curses - I don't think that is particularly radical. It is one thing if you have a close working relationship with someone and you are in a fairly comfortable one on one situation, but it is another entirely when you don't know someone very well and you might do or say something they find offensive. Case in point, which I think I've mentioned before, the religious client. I worked with a <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">GC</span> who, as time went on, I learned was deeply religious. Bible studies classes, Sunday school teacher, etc. Very clean living. Thus, I made an extra effort to avoid words phrases like "if the company takes this route you could get screwed," in favor of the more general "the company could face some penalties if you take this route." In any event, I wouldn't say screwed to any client b/c it is not professional and I don't know some of them well enough to throw that out there. I was just saying that you should be cautious. In this precarious legal market, why give people reasons to question your judgment? What is the big deal with remembering that this is a professional environment and you should always keep that in mind? <div>Some of you may be getting to a mid-point during your summer associate terms. Have you received input? I like firms that provide a mid-point evaluation. If you haven't received input on your work product, etc., ask the HP or recruiting coordinator if you could schedule a time. If there's little things that can be fixed -- like proofing better -- that is something you could hear about now - rather than at the end of the summer, which can be cured in subsequent work product. I know most of us don't like to hear criticism, but it is useful for this job and in the future. If there's something you disagree with - like you followed one line of thinking because the assigning partner put it in the work assignment form - then go ahead and explain that, calmly. Don't be overly defensive, however. Show that you want to learn and take the opportunity to see how you can improve. If you've had a memo marked up - see what the reviewer did - take out excess wording; break it into sections to have it read better; re-organize it? Take some time to assess how a more experienced person improved your work product. </div><div><br /></div><div><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Btw</span>, HP is a bit nostalgic. I think we are coming up next month on the first anniversary of <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">HP's</span> Office blog. What shall we do to acknowledge this occasion? </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-60183792651997928832009-06-16T03:01:00.000-07:002009-06-16T03:12:59.147-07:00the too casualsHello all. Sorry I've been away for a bit. Some work things came up, of course, I am busy with our summer program, and I just didn't have anything on my mind to write about.<div><br /></div><div>One thing that came to mind that I wanted to mention is over-familiarity. In today's more casual society, sometimes we tend to assume that a seemingly less hierarchical work environment or even one when, say, partners seem young and hip and not stiff, means that we can really let our hair down, speak as if we are speaking to our pals, and even joke in a way that we think is funny but might actually offend. Case in point: my friend, we will call her Partner Jennifer, had to leave for an appointment. She ran into junior associate Ellen. They briefly discussed something and then when Ellen saw Jennifer was leaving, Ellen made a comment about "oh I guess you don't have a lot of work to do since you get to leave early." Or something to that effect. Similar thing happened to another person I know. Jennifer - who is a youngish, approachable partner - was really annoyed. First, Ellen has no idea where Jennifer is going. Jennifer may be off to a client meeting. Second, Jennifer has 15 years of experience, including long nights, weekends, holiday work. Jennifer has busted her tush and is entitled to respect, particularly from junior attorneys. Even if Jennifer is going home - that really is not for Ellen to comment on. Ellen hasn't even proven herself yet.</div><div><br /></div><div>Thus the long and short of it is to remember - and I know I've mentioned this before - these people are not your pals. They may seem <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">approachable</span> and laid back but there is still a hierarchy and you need to respect that. Be careful how casual your conversations may be. Watch the "digs," and watch the casual language - cursing, rough slang, etc. I've been in interviews where people throw out the F-bomb as if it is a "hello." This gets you marked way down - actually off totally - in my book. It is about judgment. These days, we are very sensitive to judgment red flags. Remember it is a buyer's market now. Show us your terrific work, your potential client handling skills. Keep the slang and snide comments for another day. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com24tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-70193389495772806892009-06-02T04:56:00.000-07:002009-06-02T05:08:41.446-07:00research projectGood question there from the person who asked what to do if you've got a research assignment and, despite best efforts, come up with zilch. I thought F-3's response was right on. In fact, the first thing I was going to say was addressed by F-3: ask the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">firm's</span> library staff. They are usually very <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">knowledgeable</span> and helpful. In fact, in my experience, befriending the library staff can really do wonders for you...they can track down all sorts of information, particularly hard to find treatises and other things like newly released laws and cases - they often have their own network of fellow librarians and (like a good concierge) can swap and trade things and call in their favors to get you what you need. So, again, the old adage here that you should treat the office staff well - be courteous, appreciative and pleasant -- will help you shine @ the workplace. <div><br /></div><div>I've had mixed results with calling Lexis helpline. I don't find the representatives to be that substantively helpful. But, if you want to see if a particular search will wield any results or something like that, or formulating a search, then they can do that for you. My preference is to find someone "on the ground" who can help get what I need or direct me.</div><div><br /></div><div>I liked F-3's suggestion that you should keep track of how you have researched. Oftentimes, partner X may ask: "did you look here?" If you've been in fifty different databases or made 20 phone calls, you may not remember once you are on the spot. Keep a notepad with you various searches and how you went about it. That will make you look prepared and organized and will inspire in partner X confidence in your abilities to proceed with the assignment - even if there seems to be no answer. Sometimes there is no answer.</div><div><br /></div><div>Case in point, as a junior lawyer, I once spent hours researching something. Couldn't find it, despite my best efforts. I finally saw a contact name and called that person. When I reached him and explained what I was looking for, he said "you won't find it because we never issued it, and here's why." <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">Light bulb</span> in my head goes off. Ugh, why didn't I think to call this person earlier? Part of the problem is that (at least in my law school) we were trained to seek the answers on our own - not to reach out to others lest there be an honor code violation or something. All answers supposedly could be found by doing one's one research by oneself. But in the real world, that is not how it always works. Oftentimes, the fastest answer can be found by reaching out -- to other colleagues in the office, to staff at relevant governmental organizations, to court staff, etc. Now, I always say to follow up and confirm whatever they are saying with your own research. But, it is often a great place to start -- or a good mid-way point to confirm your own research or help you understand something in your research. Law is not a solitary enterprise, it can and should be collaborative - without revealing confidences of course.</div><div><br /></div><div>So, follow F-3's advice - by all means, talk to the library staff. Detail for partner X the steps you have taken and ask for any further suggestions. Show that you are organized and that you have taken initiative. If you are unsure if certain "reaching out" contacts are allowed - on a no names basis that is, ask the assigning attorney. "I've done a, b, and c and wanted to confirm that no further changes have taken place. Would it be <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">ok</span> if I called Y on a no names basis to ask?" </div><div><br /></div><div>Hope all is going well this summer. </div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1357977259021068060.post-60183987933584916652009-05-21T04:13:00.000-07:002009-05-21T04:26:24.241-07:00Queries and OtherHi folks, HP catching up; sorry for the delay there but HP is a P and does have client commitments and travel, as well as an actual life outside the office. <div><br /></div><div>Let's see, someone said they had accepted a job offer on the spot but then might have another perhaps more preferred job offer given in succeeding weeks and could they renege on their acceptance. I agree with the person who said, essentially, that they accepted the job and should stick to it. I don't know the market they are in, but you don't want to develop a bad reputation, particularly in a smaller, or medium sized market. If you accepted, you should stay with the folks who gave you a job. HP is very into loyalty and integrity. Next time, if possible, try to buy some time and follow up with the potential outstanding firm. Of course, now that you are going to firm 1, you need to do a fabulous job, be enthusiastic, etc. Even if this is not ultimately where you want to be, you want to be in a position that you've earned the respect of these colleagues and built your reputation, can get great references, etc. I spent my 1L summer in a different market from where I work now. It was a medium size firm, but not the sophistication of <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">BIGLAW</span>. Did I want to work there forever <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">NOOOOO</span>. But, I got great experience (accompanying partners to court, drafting summary judgment motions, even working on criminal cases), AND I made terrific contacts who later served as references. Especially when these experiences are hard to come by, you need to grab them and run with them. Remember, every opportunity is an opportunity to build on, even if it is not your end game. </div><div><br /></div><div>I got a long email from a gentleman who wanted to share some advice on shirt "stays" for collars and other dressing advice; I will send that along next time. He did mention poplin suits for summer. I have to say I am not a fan and would rather stick with the basics. Now, maybe it depends on the market, but I just think they look goofy and kind of grandfatherly and have not seen people in firms I have practiced or worked with wearing them. </div><div><br /></div><div>One more thing, the other day, I got a call from a lawyer I worked with many years back on a matter. She is now the lawyer on a different matter and we will be working together again. We exchanged needed information and will continue to work together as the weeks progress. The point I wanted to make here is that because we handled our last matter professionally, she knows that I will do my job while being someone who is good to work with. I know that she will be careful, yet firm, but still professional. We can each tell our clients that we have worked together before, which will give them confidence that the matter will go smoothly. This goes to my point of not being an a-hole (unless truly necessary) and being professional. Even in larger legal markets, what goes around comes around. You do need to deal with these people or their firms again and your reputation is always important. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>Hiring Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710057745232582656noreply@blogger.com7